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My parrotlet woke me at 4am squawking and shrieking. I uncovered the cage to find the poor little guy on the floor of his cage dazed and confused. He was panting and limp.

When I gently placed him on a flat surface to see if he could stand he immediately took off in flight and seemed really disoriented (landed somewhere he'd never land normally).

He quieted for a bit then 15 mins later had another shrieking episode and fell over limp. I packed him up and went immediately to the all night veterinarian (not a bird specialist, but my only option at 4am on Canada Day long weekend). He had several episodes on the way to the vet.

The vet seemed to know a bit about parrotlets, and while my bird was there he had another episode. The vet said these were definitely SEIZURES.

I told him I dont cook with non-stick pans. I dont use chemical cleaners. He asked me if I'd brought anything new into the house lately or done any renovations etc. I told him that 3 days ago I purchased a piece of carpet underpad in anticipation of an area rug delivery I'm expecting.

He told me to get it out asap and said that carpet underlay is notorious for "off-gassing" toxic fumes. Apparently they use chemicals to stop the underlay from deteriorating over time. He said its much like the chemicals used in cars that give them that "new car smell".

My worry is that maybe that's not the culprit at all.

Are there any suggestions from other members about things in our environment that could be causing this toxic reaction? Your input would be very appreciated. I threw out all his food and got fresh - just in case that was it. I have all my windows and doors open and bathroom and kitchen fans going just in case. :confused:

His seizures have slowed to one per hour now, but they are soooo scary, and really uncomfortable for him. The vet told me if they increase in frequency or continue longer than today I am to go back.

I can't lose this guy - hes my best friend.

Thanks for your help!
 

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Have you removed the carpet underlay?
Maybe you should remove your parrotlet from your house because the carpet underlay (even after it has been removed) may still have toxic fumes in the atmosphere.
 

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Yes first thing I did was remove the underlay and completely air out the house. Then I brought the bird back in. And...I'm still running kitchen and bathroom fans with windows open - just in case.

The seizures are farther apart now - so that's encouraging.
 

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Oh my, that is awful he is going through this, shame you have to waste the money for the carpet underlay, did the vet say anything about the new carpet coming? I hope your little guy will get better and be fine, keep us up on what is going on this could help other birds too, giving owners new information.
 

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Oh my gosh!! My heart is racing just reading what you and your parrotlet have gone through... I can't imagine your panic. Getting him to the vet was a good decision Keep us posted, please!
 

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i have only had my plet for a month and i would cry to see him like that i really hope he continues to get better and they stop completely good luck
 

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New carpet and pads can be very bad on birds. Good that you got it out of their . I would air out everything in a garage very well before I put it in the house again. They have super sensitive systems and can not handle chemicals that perhaps we do not smell . Because they have air sacks the air they breathe says in their system longer. Hope your little guy is ok now.
 

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I don't have carpeting anywhere in my house anymore because of off gassing. When a water pipe broke in one of my walls and ruined the carpeting in my living room/dining room, I replaced it with laminate flooring because there's no glue or chemically treated underlayment.

Once the offending item is gone, it can take several days to get the toxins out of your home. I would not bring him back until you are very sure.
 

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Yet another reason to hate carpeting... Thank you for posting this here, many members might not know about the gassing issues, it's good to share these things. I know that I learn new things everyday here.

I'm really glad that your parrotlet is doing better, I wish him a speedy recovery!
 

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update

Hes had quite the day. 2 trips to vet, 15 seizures, anti-biotics, and 2 shots of valium to stop the seizures.

Get this...most the veterinarians are closed due to Canada Day and they all refer to the same 24hour pet hospital that does not carry bird meds.
Its ridiculous.

They had no calcium EDTA and were unable to do the bloodwork. They sent me home with instructions to give him another dose of Baytril (antibiotic) in the night and hope that he makes it until morning to see the avian vet. You'd think in a city with population of Vancouver they'd have ONE avian vet at least taking calls to give advice to the others on a long weekend. Very sad.

I left one perch in his cage that almost touches the ground and he's on it sleeping right now (which is good as he was paralysed earlier today). I'm hopeful.

Oh, and second vet at noon said valium stops the seizures and avoids brain damage. Wish the guy at 4am had known that as we would have avoided a dozen dangerous seizures. If my bird has lost his marbles I'm going to be calling that bozo.
 

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I'm hoping he will be fine. I know how scary seizures are. I use to have a dog that had them & it's not a pretty site to see.
 

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Finding avian vets is so hard, on a holiday like this I can see how you're having so much trouble. Plus I'm not so sure that all that many avian vets are too familiar with parrotlets, that doesn't help either. We're here hoping that your buddy is doing better by now.

I've had a lot of issues with vets not starting proper medication early enough with my dogs, it's so frustrating to see your pet suffering and later find out that it was all avoidable if the first vet had done their job properly in the first place.
 

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O wow! I remember my first lovebird I got was from a pet store. I would go in to hold her everyday for 3 or 4 weeks. Finally she was old enough to go home. She would ride on your shoulder or head the whole day. It turns out she was mentally retarded or her brain was not fully developed. One night I went to say goodnight and she was at the bottom of the cage! Her feet wernt working and she could not stand, That night she dies in my hands while having multiple seizures. It was hard falling in love with such a kind bird while the next minute she is gone... I got another bird shortly after and she passed too. This time when she was puffed up we took her to an avian vetanarian. They said that all they could do was put her into a heated incubator with oxygen. She died as well. The pet store I bought her from sells diseased birds. I should have been more cautious with buying them. Now I have a happy parrotlet and those memories are mostly gone =/ she is great! Best of luck to everyone :)
 

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Update

Ok I found an avian vet to see him at 2:40pm. He's much better, no more seizures, but seems a bit dazed. I'm hoping it's just a Valium hang- over and that the seizures haven't affected his intelligence :-(
 

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I had a lovebird that was diagnosed as epileptic and valium is what we used for her seizures. My avian vet gave me pre-drawn doses to be administered sub-q and as soon as the medication went in, it knocked her out for about an hour. Once she regained consciousness, she was quiet for a while but eventually went back to normal. Valium, in proper dose, is not a problem. Seizures, however, use up a lot of energy and deplete oxygen. Dangerous is an understatement.

Calcium EDTA is for heavy metal poisoning and Baytril is an antibiotic....useless for treating the cause of seizures.
 
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