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Hello all from 3 days owner of the mysterious duo! We are in the UK.

Hope to broke the mystery with your experience.

So the story. I have been keeping dif types of small birds for decades. Currently have an amazing cockatiel and lovely canaries. On 14th Oct I took 2 parrotlets from a local animal charity. The only information they were willing to share that the birds are 2 years old of unknown gender, the previous owner sadly passed away and relatives brought the birds to the shelter. The birds were with the charity just 2 weeks and were only fed an unbranded parakeet's seeds mix. A small animal vet looked at them and found no issue. They have got red 2018 rings. The birds were advertised as shy. That was the true for....the first couple of hours :)

https://www.talkparrotlets.com/album.php?albumid=1933&pictureid=13113


I ve bought them a sturdy cage Irene 4 by Imac and lots of toys. They love the hummock so far and i love them forever!
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The birdies are deeply bonded and spend most of the time by preening each others feathers. Could you broke the gender code? :) The green one is visibly bigger than the blue, but not massively as on the pic. Personality wise they are awesomely different. The blue parrotlet is a cautious master-minder, the green one is a brave follower :) Have not yet picked the names, want to know the gender first.

Practicality. They are on 30 days quarantine in a separate room. Happy with millets and the cockatiel mix for now. Eat and drink well, the green bird's poo is a bit watery. Both are molting as well, I gave them J&J molting tonic yesterday and will keep giving every other day for 2 weeks. They are fine with my presence, obviously, i do not touch them but observe. Seems rather happy parrotlets but less active than expected, perhaps due to the prolong stress.

Apart from the gender question, I shall appreciate some advice regarding veds/fruits. They had not have any for at least 2 weeks. I was thinking to start adding gradually the next week rather than right now. They should have enough vitamins and minerals from the tonic. Any thought?

I love them as they are now and not in hurry to tame. Although that would be nice.
 

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Welcome to the site. Thank you for taking these little ones in and giving them a good home. We will help as we can. This is a caring community so expect a bit of varied advice as you need it.
For sexing look for blue under wings to indicate a male. There are other possible attributes depending on blood line but the blue underwing is definitive across most bloodlines.
 

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Thank you for rescuing them and quarantining them for 30 days away from your other birds. When it comes to determining sex for parrotlets - both males and females can have blue eye shadow and blue rumps. Only males have blue on the flight feathers.

It is best to provide vitamins and minerals through food sources, but it may be necessary to add calcium for breeding females or in other specific circumstances. I would definitely start trying to offer them cut up or chopped vegetables and a small amount of fruit. Many people sprinkle chia seeds on top to entice their bird to eat it. You may need to offer the new foods over and over and over for them to eat it regularly, which can even take months.
 

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Thank you so much for your prompt responses. They are a bit sleepy now. Tomorrow i will watch every feather :)
 

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Thanks a lot for your advice. Chia seeds on top of vegs such a good tip! Will def try.

It is best to provide vitamins and minerals through food sources,
I am happy to provide them with the variety of vegs and fruits but right now the green bird's poo is a tad watery. Just worry to upset his stomach further.
 

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Hello and welcome to the forums.

We don't see much of the blue one in the picture but the green one is a male for sure. My guess is they both are but as others have said the blue under the wing will tell you.
 

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Welcome to the forum! God Bless you for making a better life for the parrotlets. If they are the same age, then one may be eating more food than the other. The male may not let the other one feed as much, so watch them when they eat and make sure both get an equal chance to eat. Hang a millet spray in the cage all the time .
If you have a male and female, be careful or they may mate, then you will have eggs and possibly chicks to tend to!



They should weight around 28 grams or so, depending on age. A good avian vet can usually tell the age pretty closely, once healthy.


Cover them 11-12 hours a night. This is very important! Keep them warm and out of a draft.


Cockatiel mix is good, since your new birds are small hook bills. Nutraberries are good for them. Hemp seeds are good for them. Hard boiled eggs, chopped up or chopped in half are good for them every once in a while. Parakeet ( budgie) seeds do not have the nutrients to keep a p'lett alive for long. You can mix the seeds in with the cockatiel mix, if you want. You can mix hemp seeds in the mix. too!


Fresh veggies are good for them. Stick a broccoli floret each day in between the cage bars near a perch and leave it all day. Eventually they will eat it.


Give then a variety of different sized perches, not dowels, so you can maintain good foot health. You say they are banded on the legs? Make sure the bands are not too tight. I took the bands off all the birds I have ever owned. It is up to you and the vet.


Sounds like you are giving them a good start! We need more people like you in our world. We need more p'letts, too!


David and Vicki;):rolleyes:
 

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Thank you all for welcoming me, your most kind words and the great recommendations.

.. the green one is a male for sure. My guess is they both are ..
They are indeed! This morning they showed the bright indigo under-winds feathers. 2 gorgeous boys!

Based on the metal rings data, the same age, the same breeder but rather different birds and the green one in impressively taller.

They are quite active today and conducting the cage accessory's inventory :)

I took on board all recommendations and happy to implement. There are some contradictions in the parrotlets related articles so i would like your opinion on the below.

1. do they need the sepia bone in the cage?

2. do you give them sand?

3. do you add honey as a treat?

4. their room temperature fluctuates between 20-25C due to the boiler set-up. is this ok with the birdies?

5. could someone kindly add a link to the ACV treatment? i may consider to treat my flock at once.

Thanks again, so glad i found the forum.
 

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I think the sepia/cuttle bone would be fine unless you are feeding a pellet heavy diet then I have seen the manufacturers say not to use them or any other added vitamin or minerals. I guess they can get too much calcium and that can cause issues. I had one in Pip's cage when I read about that but he never used it anyway so just left it.

I have never read anything about sand but they don't need grit if that is what it is meant to be for. I would think it would be bad for them.

Again I have no knowledge about honey but a quick google search and I see this..
"Some parrots enjoy honey, it's a sweet and delicious food for them but you shouldn't give parrots honey, especially raw honey. Honey can contain spores which can grow toxin-producing bacteria cells. The toxins can cause paralysis of your parrot."
I keep my house at about 72 Fahrenheit it does get down to 70 sometimes at night and Pip does fine with that.

The ACV ratio I use is 1 tablespoon to 1 quart/32 ounce of water. I read through a post over on another parrot forum back when I was researching it and took note of all the ones that had vet recommended ratios and went the average. I give this to Pip once every three months for a week to ten days to help clean out his digestive system. I also put this mix into his birdbath because he drinks from it and figure a good soaking on his feet would be good for him too. (gets changed daily)

See what everyone else has to say about it but these are my recommendations.
 

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Hello! Welcome to the forum! How nice you are from the UK – I so happened to originally come from that part of the world myself. It is wonderful that you rescued these two little guys! They are so cute! It seems like they are settling down in their new home. That is good! Have you given them names yet? Glad you are on the forum - you are going to learn a lot here.

As for your questions:

Yes, they do need a sepia bone (Cuttlebone) in their cage for calcium.

Sand? No, parrotlets do not need sand/grit. It will clog up their digestive system.

Raw honey? No. It can be dangerous to birds.

Temperature – 65 to 85 F (18 to 29C) is good. It is important not to have any drastic temperature changes in one day. Because these birds come from warm climates, I try to keep the temperature at least 73F (22F) but my bird loves it best at 80F (26C)! As silly as it sounds, I imagine if you have skinny birds with less meat on their bones, they probably need the temperature higher and if your bird is heavier, they probably can deal with cooler temps.

Regarding AVC treatment – People do give this to their birds, but I personally do not. I have a “If it is not broken do not fix it” attitude about it. If my vet ever suggests giving it, then I will.
 

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I have never used apple cider vinegar in over 20 years of having parrotlets. It kills all bacteria in their system, both good and bad. When people use it, it is meant for short term use ONLY. Probiotics are a concentrated source of the good bacteria.

I agree with Anya on the cuttlebone, sand, and honey.
 

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thank you for your prompt responses. I will follow your navigation.

Today is the birdies 4th day with me. So far so good with some exceptions.

While they are setting down better than i expected, i am a bit worrying about their diet. They are basically "cherry picking". They only eat millet spray and 4 types of seeds from the mix, the right side of the pic.
https://www.talkparrotlets.com/album.php?albumid=1933&pictureid=13115

they indicate zero interest toward a cup of cut vegges, green leaves and fruits. it may take a long while to make them eat it.

also the green birdie's feet look rather pale. avitaminosis? i may worry for nothing but with these tiny creatures prefer to be on the safe side.

as they are molting and suffering from stress, i think the safe option is to order some organic pellets just for now. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001LK3E1U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AXJ8S7ZA0I08A&psc=1

I will introduce the veggies and fruits, of course, just back up the nutritious with the pellets.
 

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thank you for your prompt responses. I will follow your navigation.

Today is the birdies 4th day with me. So far so good with some exceptions.

While they are setting down better than i expected, i am a bit worrying about their diet. They are basically "cherry picking". They only eat millet spray and 4 types of seeds from the mix, the right side of the pic.
https://www.talkparrotlets.com/album.php?albumid=1933&pictureid=13115

they indicate zero interest toward a cup of cut vegges, green leaves and fruits. it may take a long while to make them eat it.

also the green birdie's feet look rather pale. avitaminosis? i may worry for nothing but with these tiny creatures prefer to be on the safe side.

as they are molting and suffering from stress, i think the safe option is to order some organic pellets just for now. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001LK3E1U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AXJ8S7ZA0I08A&psc=1

I will introduce the veggies and fruits, of course, just back up the nutritious with the pellets.
Had that problem with my rescues, Jules and Bo. They were bad seed junkies. Nutriberries was my way out. Still had seed they were after but forced them into more variety and pellets. I have had best luck with orchard and El Paso varieties.

https://lafeber.com/
 

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Had that problem with my rescues, Jules and Bo. They were bad seed junkies. Nutriberries was my way out. Still had seed they were after but forced them into more variety and pellets. I have had best luck with orchard and El Paso varieties.

https://lafeber.com/
brilliant! thanks a lot. this sounds more natural.

i d love to read Jules and Bo's story. could you possibly send a link? perhaps i fine some bonding tips :)
 

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If you are going to get pellets there is a webpage with most of the pellets listed with ingredients so you can compare them. It was made by a member of another forum but has a lot of information on pellets.
https://www.lilmonstersbirdtoys.com/pellets-for-parrots

If your birds only like certain kinds of seeds they might not eat pellets either at first. There is a conversion that is used to get a bird to eat pellets by mixing a bowl with half pellets and half seeds then put in less seeds and more pellets each time until they are eating the pellets. I did this with Pip until he was only getting pellets. It only took him a few days and I noticed him eating the pellets so it went quick with us but make sure they are eating and not losing weight. I fed him only pellets for a week with no seeds to get him used to eating them after the conversion. I then added back in the amount of seed mix I wanted him to have. (1.5 tsp pellets and 1/2 tsp seed mix) This ensures that he does not fill up on seeds and still eats his pellets. He does eat the seeds first for his breakfast but he then has his pellets the rest of the day. If I think there is an excess amount of pellets not being eaten I will just cut back on the seeds a bit the next day but we have it down now where there is very little waste/uneaten food.

Edit: The webpage linked is on US brand pellets
 

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If you are going to get pellets there is a webpage with most of the pellets listed with ingredients so you can compare them. It was made by a member of another forum but has a lot of information on pellets.
https://www.lilmonstersbirdtoys.com/pellets-for-parrots

If your birds only like certain kinds of seeds they might not eat pellets either at first. There is a conversion that is used to get a bird to eat pellets by mixing a bowl with half pellets and half seeds then put in less seeds and more pellets each time until they are eating the pellets. I did this with Pip until he was only getting pellets. It only took him a few days and I noticed him eating the pellets so it went quick with us but make sure they are eating and not losing weight. I fed him only pellets for a week with no seeds to get him used to eating them after the conversion. I then added back in the amount of seed mix I wanted him to have. (1.5 tsp pellets and 1/2 tsp seed mix) This ensures that he does not fill up on seeds and still eats his pellets. He does eat the seeds first for his breakfast but he then has his pellets the rest of the day. If I think there is an excess amount of pellets not being eaten I will just cut back on the seeds a bit the next day but we have it down. there is very little waste too this way.

Edit: The webpage linked is on US brand pellets
Thank you very much for sharing Bryan.

Amazon will deliver any brand:)

I do not know yet what they like but watching then picking sunflower seeds all day is quite worrying. I ve ordered Lafeber NutriBerries as advised here and will walk through the list "pellets for parrots" tomorrow morning. I prefer mix seeds for my birds, but may consider add some pellets.
 

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Nutri-Berries is a good product for sure. I get the Fruit Delight Avi-Cakes for Pip sometimes for a treat.
 

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The seeds they are eating are sunflower, safflower, oat groats, and something I don't know.

The sunflower and safflower are fatty and should be limited. Oat groats aren't bad seeds, and the other one also seems to be healthier.
 

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Honey can be a problem according to my vet. And sand or grit or smashed/ground up oyster shells are absolutely a no no for a parrot! This can get into their crop and cause bacteria to grow and it can cut into the crop and cause infection.



David;):rolleyes:
 
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