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zebra 05-23-2020 02:53 PM

turquoise genetic
 
hello i am not new in breeding parrotlet but i am new in turquoise gene so please tell me where can i found information about this gene,is it dominant or recessive ,is it the same for green or blue one etc etc...
thank you

JackieRTP 05-23-2020 03:19 PM

We don't have any breeders or experts on parrotlet genetics in this forum. You want to be very knowledgeable on genetics before attempting to breed parrotlets. Good breeders know the genetics of each of their birds and pair them with that in mind.

A turquoise bird is an incomplete blue. It is not recommended to breed blue series birds with other blue series birds as it can result in genetically weak offspring prone to congenital defects. White birds are also blue series birds. The best breeders always breed blue series birds back to the dominant green series to ensure that all of the babies are healthy and genetically sound.

David Miller 05-23-2020 09:10 PM

Like Jackie said, we don't have experts in this forum, so it is wise to find someone who is an expert, and listen to them. It is a very complex subject. You could probably look up avian genetics and find someone who is an expert. I had a friend in Orlando who knew about this matter, but she died. I'll call her husband and see if he can find the name of one of her coworkers in the field of avian genetics.


Go to the Lafeber.com home page and you can find a list of avian experts in just about every field. Maybe you can contact someone on that list to get your info.


Dave

JackieRTP 05-24-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David Miller (Post 1034495)
Go to the Lafeber.com home page and you can find a list of avian experts in just about every field. Maybe you can contact someone on that list to get your info.


None of them are experts on parrotlet genetics. Each bird species is a different when it comes to their genetics.

sletter1 05-29-2020 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zebra (Post 1034481)
hello i am not new in breeding parrotlet but i am new in turquoise gene so please tell me where can i found information about this gene,is it dominant or recessive ,is it the same for green or blue one etc etc...
thank you

While I am not a true expert, I do know a bit about turquoise genetics. It is recessive but dominant to blue. That means that you need both parents to pass on either the blue gene or the turquoise (at least one must pass turquoise). And if one passes blue and the other turquoise, the chick will show turquoise.

It is extremely difficult to properly pair a turquoise because first you need documents for at least 3 generations of the pair and most pairings will produce unknown splits

As you are new to breeding, I have to recommend you avoid breeding them. But if you must, the best pairing is with a blue. You should only do this with the knowledge that there are no related birds for at least 3 generations.

If the turquoise is split to blue (most likely) you will get 50% blue and 50% turquoise split to blue. If the turquoise is double factor ( both parents contributed a turquoise gene) then you will get 100% turquoise split to blue.

David Miller 05-29-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sletter1 (Post 1034659)
While I am not a true expert, I do know a bit about turquoise genetics. It is recessive but dominant to blue. That means that you need both parents to pass on either the blue gene or the turquoise (at least one must pass turquoise). And if one passes blue and the other turquoise, the chick will show turquoise.

It is extremely difficult to properly pair a turquoise because first you need documents for at least 3 generations of the pair and most pairings will produce unknown splits

As you are new to breeding, I have to recommend you avoid breeding them. But if you must, the best pairing is with a blue. You should only do this with the knowledge that there are no related birds for at least 3 generations.

If the turquoise is split to blue (most likely) you will get 50% blue and 50% turquoise split to blue. If the turquoise is double factor ( both parents contributed a turquoise gene) then you will get 100% turquoise split to blue.


I read an article about this! The article is somewhere in a box and the article was written years ago! I remember what was in the article after you explained it. From what you just said, it is 100% accurate! I always have problems remembering factoring the generations vs the splits. Thanks.

When I got my green p'lett ( Bogie ) I was studying some genetic info. The breeder I got Bogie from showed me records of Bogie's parents and their past generations and breeding schedules, etc. He was a true green Pacific. I was associated with the breeder for a year before I bought Bogie from her. When I got Ricochet, he was green, but I didn't know his past generation's history.


Dave

Evelyn 06-08-2020 01:48 PM

This is a lot of deep stuff to learn. I am just glad I have my 2, I just want to understand their personality , the genetics are way to confusing to me. It must take years and many mistakes to get the perfect mix.

JackieRTP 06-08-2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Evelyn (Post 1034865)
This is a lot of deep stuff to learn. I am just glad I have my 2, I just want to understand their personality , the genetics are way to confusing to me. It must take years and many mistakes to get the perfect mix.


There should NEVER be any mistakes. That's why it is important that people who plan to breed learn about the genetics involved BEFORE breeding. The parrotlet genetic pool in the US is weak to begin with, which is why the genetics aspect is so important.

Evelyn 06-08-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieRTP (Post 1034881)
There should NEVER be any mistakes. That's why it is important that people who plan to breed learn about the genetics involved BEFORE breeding. The parrotlet genetic pool in the US is weak to begin with, which is why the genetics aspect is so important.

You are exactly right!


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