Hybrid forpus???

[forpus]

Anyone has get hybrid from F. conspicillatus and F. Coellestis?

[romancealex]

how they look like???
any photo to share??? :)

[kiwismom]

Wow Forpus, you sure confuse me LOL!

[jodeg]

Boy, forpus, you're WAY out of my range! I know NOTHING about this stuff! Hopefully one of our experienced breeders will jump in and post an answer!

[enborgle]

This specific hybrid is possible (and unfortunately, has been done) but hybridization in general is NOT practiced or condoned by responsible breeders.

I am getting a little concerned about all the threads here recently about breeding different birds "just to see what we'll get", even when folks might not even know what they have to begin with.

Please remember that as breeders, the fate of the species is in your hands - don't take that responsibility lightly.

[forpus]

whats the problem with hybridization in these cases? goes bad the kids? I am asking becosue I am curious

and my other question in forpus coellestis we find out many color mutation, why we dont get the same kind of variety with f.conspicillatus?? or other kinds?

[romancealex]

i saw this pic on web,
anyone know what is this breed call???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/sky8alex/1.jpg

[forpus]

isnt a yellow fallow?

[enborgle]

whats the problem with hybridization in these cases? goes bad the kids? I am asking becosue I am curious

I'm glad you asked! Get a drink, use the washroom and settle in - this post could get long. Basically hybridization is a bad idea in ALL cases, not just with parrotlets.

1. It is the equivalent of trying to breed a human and a chimpanzee. Although Spectacleds and Pacifics are even more genetically similar than humans and chimps to the point where they can produce fertile offspring, the resulting offspring are mixed up at the genetic level. Not only will their physical appearance change, but even their behaviours will be affected - they will neither look nor act completely like a Pacific or completely like a Spectacled, and we can't predict what the ramifications of that might be. The DNA strands in the genetic material of a Spectacled is structured to pair with another Spectacled DNA strand, it was never designed to match with a Pacific one. We also can't predict what health repercussions this kind of unnatural combination might cause.

2. By giving a parrotlet no other choice except to accept a mate of another species, you are playing God - 99% of the time, this would not occur in nature and as their keepers, ethically you have no right to impose it on them. Essentially, it's mucking around with nature for your own amusement.

3. The Wild Bird Conservation Act has all but ensured that we will never again be able to replenish captive stock with wild birds - they are all too endangered, Spectacleds even more so than Pacifics. That means that the gene pool for each species is very small, and once a bloodline has been tainted with hybrid blood, it can never be restored - we have lost that bloodline, and it's capacity to contribute the continuation of the species, forever.

4. If a hybrid bird appears more as one parent than the other and is sold on (even as a pet) there is a risk that it could keep reproducing, either on purpose by an unscrupulous breeder or by accident by a hobbyist who either doesn't know the downside to hybridizing or doesn't even know the bird is a hybrid to begin with. Then we run the risk that the hybrid genetic material will go on to ruin more and more bloodlines, narrowing the gene pool even further.

The worst-case result of hybridization is that if everyone decided to participate, all of our beautiful rare species would go extinct and have nothing left but one impure, generic type (a mutt, essentially) with untold and unforseeable behavioural abnormalities and physical health problems.

Okay, stepping off my soapbox now. Responsible breeding is something I'm pretty passionate about, in case you couldn't tell ;)

[enborgle]

i saw this pic on web,
anyone know what is this breed call???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/sky8alex/1.jpg

As a rule, fallows have red eyes - the 2 that are further away look like European Yellows, also called Pastels. The one in front could be either Pastel or American Yellow, tough to tell with the glare from the camera and the awkward angle. The species (not breed) would be Forpus Coelestis, or Pacific Parrotlet.

[forpus]

good answer enborgle :)

I can be agree with some of your points another I am not so agree, you tell about been god if you do hybridation, in same way you do the same when you work doing mutation, that kind of species should never been in the nature either....a lutino bird? in the nature with that kind of colors will be eated by a predator at once.

so everyone that breed blue, yellow parrotlest goes against nature, and yes the lineage problaly goes quite far away from the original genetic source.

I am not saying I am agree with hybridation and not either againts it, sadly we dont have the tools to know what we are doing, only by experimenting at these days is how sciences get results positive and bad.

so as well can comes negative things can come positive like mutations of genes that can make maybe the bird inmune to some kind of desease.

Sadly we still have to learn a lot and as my point of view mutation it means evolution. The right one of course ;)

[GRANNYAT50]

I was also told that the hybred babies caan be sterile.

[RoseyAviary]

Hello, I have a question about a female I got. The breeder didnt know anything except it was a female, and it was around 1yr old. I can figure out if she is a Pacific or a Green Rump. She has ZERO blue on her, and she does have a little yellow mixed on her head, not much though. and her belly is also very lime green....I have her paired with a Dilute Blue, and would love to get them breeding, but if she is a green rump, I definatly dont want them breeding. How do i post a pic? I do have a website- www.roseyaviary.com (http://www.roseyaviary.com)

[parrotletwanted]

Rosey,
Im the one who directed you to this board, so welcome! To post a picture, you need to be in the advanced posting mode (in the "quick post" mode, there's a button to go to advanced mode). Once there, you'll see a paperclip which will allow you to attach a file to the post.

Im going to take the liberty of posting those photos for you. I think the green female in this photo is a green rump due to the yellowish colorization of the face and forehead as well as the lack of the blue the males typically show.

HOWEVER, Im likely (and most probably) wrong, but someone should be along shortly to help sort it out!

[enborgle]

Welcome Rosey!

Your best bet in this case is to weigh your female - Pacifics are usually between 31 and 34 grams, whereas Green Rumps are much smaller, normally closer to 22 grams. Offhand, it doesn't look as though she is much smaller than your male, but it is always tough to tell over the internet.

She is lovely either way, and I respect your position on not wanting to create hybrid offspring. Do let us know how it turns out!

[RoseyAviary]

Thank you for all the help.

I have weighed her, she is 32grams, so I am assuming she is pacific...So I might set them up in about a week. They have bonded quite well, and stick together all the time.

Well the good news is my other pair is on 5 eggs. Never bred parrotlets before, so I am excited to see what colors they have!

thanks for letting me know how to post a pic also!

[Jinx n Noodle]

Pretty pair. Do you know if they're split to anything?

[Evelyn]

They look like a hybrid, part Parrotlet and part Nyasa lovebird, Nyasa's are the same size as the Parrotlet, I use to have one, they also have the same personalty..the red beak is what a Nyasa has..sad someone is doing this..

[enborgle]

Not to worry Evelyn, I don't think that's the case. I don't see the Nyasa resemblance, and anyway I don't believe that lovebirds, which are African, can successfully breed with South American Parrotlets. Like Nature's built-in safety mechanism!

[Evelyn]

Now wait am I going out of my mind..lol there was a picture of 4 Plet's with orange beaks, that is why I brought up the Nyasas..where did it go? Okay they are on page one, I need to go to bed, so where did the orang/red beaks come from?

[enborgle]

They look to me like pink baby beaks (especially against that almost neon yellow) that have been eating something red, maybe strawberries or raspberries?

[doktordoris]

Hullo,

I am new here, and I a a bit horrified to even hear bird owners ask about creating hybrids.
I keep and breed malawi m'buna cichlids and have often encountered the horrors people with an insatiable lust for the novel have done to fish.

Just look at the awful blood parrot at the site below.

And as mentioned, the problems go far beyond the immediately obvious. Apart from being a dreadful example of man's constant craving for the sensational. I often think who in their right mind would fail to find nature beautiful enough and then proceed to create monsters from different sides of the planet?

But that's just my personal opinion, the real danger from a hybrid comes when its genes make their way, unexpectedly, into a creatures bloodline, especially for endangered animals. It would be all too easy for a hybrids offspring to look just like an original parent in a few generations. Then there is the risk of one of those animals being used to produce numerous offspring, and eventually potentially pollute an entire gene-pool.

Yeuch. Dreadful stuff.

To answer a previous question playing with colour and other mutations from a single species is nothing like creating hybrids.


doris


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_parrot_cichlid