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tstmard
04-25-2009, 04:03 PM
I'm just going to type off what the results are so then those of you who understand this clinical stuff will be able to understand it.

The following tissues were all normal: lung, heart, liver, kidney, pancreas, skeletal muscle and skin.

Histologic Diagnoses:
Epithial hyperpasia with orthokeratosis and parakeratosis, chorinc diffuse, severe with intralesional hyphae, pseudohyphae and yeast (blastospores)(Candida sp), crop

Comments: The lesion within the crop and the morphology of the intralesional fungal organisms are consistent with infection by the species of Candida, likely Candida albicans. Given the extent and severity of the lesion, this is considered the cause of the clinical decline and death of this parrotlet. Candidiasis is a relatively common crop disorder seen in young, ofter hand fed birds. Candida spp are normal inhabitants of the alimentary tract of animals and exist as budding yeasts in association with mucosa surfaces. When there are changes in the mucosal surface or normal microflora of the mucosa, the yeast may become invasive forming branching, filamentous pseudohyphae and hyphae. Hyphae formation is favered by carbohydrates such as sucrose, or polysaccharides which are less readily fermentable then glucose. Glucose is a necessary for keratinolysis by the fungus. An endotoxin released during reproduction and death of the Candida organisms may cause local tissue damage and permit deeper penetration into the squamous epithium. In sever cases, there can be systemic dissemination of the organism; this was not seen in this case.

So there it is. To me it's proof that the place that I got both Cheebee from and Dusk(my budgie who died) don't know what they are doing when they hand feed and therefore gave my 2 babies a death sentence.:mad: All they see is a $ sign when they hand feed birds and probably just do it and move onto the next birds without being carefull as to how deep they go with the handfeeding thing or how much food they put in the crop. The vet did say that this is often caused by over filling the crop.
I just keep thinking how if I might of caught it sooner I could of had them treated and would of had my babies still.:(

skthurley
04-25-2009, 04:09 PM
I was wondering whether you had found out the results yet.

Glad to hear you now know the cause.

Have you contacted the breeder to let them know? Especially when you lost 2 birds with the same thing?

Once again, I am so sorry for your loss. *huggles*

LovelySydney
04-25-2009, 04:12 PM
I'm so sorry about cheebee - at least you know it was nothing you did and never to go to the breeder you went to again. I'll keep you in my thoughts, I know how hard these things are. Take care.

raiven
04-25-2009, 04:53 PM
Sorry for your loss, Tstmard, and it must be a small relief to know what the cause was. I am just wondering if your birds might have had similar issues, Sydney?

chapala
04-25-2009, 06:43 PM
So sorry you lost your special little bird! So sad, whatever the cause, but you know it was nothing in your home or anything that you did.

StephGee
04-25-2009, 10:17 PM
I'm still so sorry for your loss, but I am very happy that you will have the peace of mind knowing that you did nothing wrong! Your Cheeebee was a loved little birdie and was lucky to have you.

EvertonsMama
04-25-2009, 10:34 PM
Im so sorry to hear you lost your little love! Im sure that there was nothing you could have caught earlier and your baby was lucky to have such a good mama. I guess I joined this boards at a bad time because i've read far to many posts about people losing their babies.

Just a side note- What part of ID are you from? I grew up in Idaho Falls.

tstmard
04-27-2009, 02:58 PM
Thanks everyone. It was a ruff day. I have learned that if I ever get another hand fed baby I will take it to the vet right away and have it checked over to be sure everything is normal.

Evertons Mama- I live in the Treasure Valley. My husband however is from Idaho Falls, he moved from there when he was about 11 I believe.

lineola
04-27-2009, 04:58 PM
I feel so bad for you. Poor little Cheebee!

I give my birds some Benebac from time to time. It's a probiotic. Beneficial bacteria are supposed to combat yeasts. But I don't know if it could have been any help in this case.

Thanks for providing the necrospy results. It's something we can learn from... I didn't know crop burn could do that (relax, people... I don't breed birds!)

Maddie

Phoenix-cry
04-28-2009, 01:46 AM
I'm so sorry to hear this. In layman's terms it's called sour crop and on a bird so small you'd have to be an expert to detect it before it was too late. There really is nothing you could have done. The breeder should be ashamed of themselves, it can come from over filling the crop or not bothering to heat the formula (this is a common culprit in larger scale breeders cause the formula gets cold as they feed all their babies and it can't be reheated, it must be remade and often times they just don't bother).

Eikoden
05-07-2009, 07:41 PM
I'm very sorry for your loss, and I know there are no words that go deep enough to ease your pain.